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Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Dec 14, 2009 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Definitive Versions

Which Dead songs do you think have a clear, definitive best version (at least in your own opinion) if any? What are they?

For example, if someone asked me what the best Morning Dew or Sugaree or Dark Star was then I would probably give them a list of different great versions that each have something special about them. Its hard to argue that there is any one "best" performance of songs like these.

On the other hand if someone asked me what the best Hard to Handle was I'd say 8/06/71 or if they asked me about the best Loser I'd say 03/24/90. So which songs do you think have a definitive best, and what are they?

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Poster: suasponte Date: Dec 16, 2009 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

11/17/73 PITB>UJB>Dew and back again
4/8/72 Cumberland

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Poster: groovernut Date: Dec 15, 2009 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

03/24/90..... Not sure that is my definitive "loser" but that's a SUPER solid show. At least is starting strong. Thanks for the tip. I'm no 90's fan bit that show is good. Anyway I'm OT... but this is good show.


http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-03-24.fob-schoeps-mattes.miller.28387.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Dec 15, 2009 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

i alway's liked jerry's tone in this 86" yes i said 86 version of hell in the bucket into sugaree!! not bad show at all imho.!!here's the aud version i had the sbd back in the daze!!!! http://www.archive.org/details/gd86-05-10.aud.eD.13817.sbeok.shnf ya might dig the sbd better> http://www.archive.org/details/gd1986-05-10.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.81625.flac16 enjoy!!

This post was modified by whirlwind dreamer 65-95 on 2009-12-16 01:43:52

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 15, 2009 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

ya I bet... Just picture Dreamer chowing on a Baby Ruth and slammin' a bud in front of Jerry during a Black Peter back in the Spring of 1986.

LOSER

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Dec 15, 2009 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

only if that baby ruth had shrooms on it lol!!!! the buds for sure long as it was a icy cold domestic!!!! brother esau :)

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 16, 2009 3:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Listening to 01-22-78 just reminds me that I like the Live Dead version of St Stephen best.

And recommendations for Jack Straw, always make me want to pull out the Europe '72 version (studio rework or not).

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Dec 15, 2009 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Very tough question...

The only one I have beeen able to determine for myself
is the Peggy-O from Winterland 6-17-75.

Hands down best version of this song ever....for me anyway.
Feel free to disagree...if you don't mind being wrong!! :)

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Dec 15, 2009 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Phunny you mention "Loser" in your post When someone asks me about a definitive version of any song, Loser is the first song that comes to mind. For me the definitive Loser is from Ventura 84. Really an angry, growling version by Jerry.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-07-22.pcm-sbd.miller.30650.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2009 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Your user name reminded me of this, the, to my mind anyway, definitive Jack Straw (which is to say in my limited experience I've heard none better):
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-01-22.sbd.popi.4974.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Dec 15, 2009 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Nice call Rob, thanks! I just checked it out, realizing that this is the Close Encounters show. This J S is short and to the point with some really frenzied fanning by Jerry. Nice!

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Dec 15, 2009 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

difficult question as many confuse the 'favorite' version with 'definitive'. Two that jump out for me though would be:

8-27-72 Greatest Story
8-6-71 Hard to Handle

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2009 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions---Ground Rules

"Definitive version" the version that when compared to other versions stands above the other versions easily.

Example: The version of "Freebird" that was recorded in ATL in July, 1976 (you know, the one that starts "What song is it you want to hear?" and RVZ says"Play it pretty for Atlanta".) That is the definitive version. That is the one that Knebworth and the Old Grey Whistle Test are compared to. It is the one that the Winterland versions on Wolfgang are measured against---it is THE version.

Now, continue your conversation. I'm gone to check on the Ventura "Loser".

Roll Tide,
TOOTMO

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 15, 2009 4:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions---Ground Rules

Hard to differentiate "definitive version" from "best". I would agree it works better w/songs played less frequently than others, thus limiting the wider- range of opinions on what's "best."

That Hollywood Bowl "Hard to Handle" in '71 is a good example of a "definitive version" b/c it IS a stand-out and there aren't too many others to get in the way.

Keeping within those parameters I'm pretty confident in saying the "definitive version" of "Werewolves of London" is 7/8/78 at Red Rocks:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-07-08.sbd.unknown.294.sbeok.shnf

...and just for fun I'll venture to say that the "definitive version" of "Alligator" is from "Anthem of the Sun" and ditto "Death Don't Have No Mercy" from "Live/Dead".

I'm also pretty confident in calling the Cornell 5/8/77 "Morning Dew" the defintive version, even though I personally like 10/12/84 better, if that makes any sense.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 14, 2009 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Generally agree, but here are a few possible (only that) exceptions.

EG, HtoHandle. 8-6-71 is mine, and many others, but a number of folks pick 4-29-71. I'd say it is a consensus that those two represent, head and shoulders above, the best of all of the MANY they did.

Feedback: though this is a tough one to evaluate for sure, a number of folks that have been exposed to 6-14-68 under my influence have ended up thinking the opening of the partial show here as an AUD is the best that they did what with the interesting transition to the Eleven. Tough call, and esp due to the poor quality, but I certainly pick it above all the others I've heard.

Short list though, I'll grant you that for sure!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 14, 2009 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

4/29/71 H2H..8/6/71/is second best Photobucket

and April is a pretty good month

hard to say "the best" but the El Paso from 4/17/72 is most excellent Photobucket

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Poster: billydlions Date: Dec 14, 2009 7:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

I think you just proved the point that there can never be a definitive version of a song. My vote for HTH goes to 8-6-71 and 2nd place is in the Bronx (8-26-71, I think?) They seemed to nail the ending better in those last few versions played. That being said, the best Birdsong ever is 3-7-81.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 14, 2009 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Ha! We actually had a huge debate about this, and a large number of folks voted, and I the consensus was these TWO H2H are it...hmmm, does it prove your point if I want TWO definitive versions? Crap.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 14, 2009 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

I like 4-28-71 but that was the first HQ version I'd heard.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 14, 2009 9:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

That being said, the best Birdsong ever is 3-7-81.

is not! it's 7-27-73 HA!

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 14, 2009 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Tom Thumb Blues - Phil's Birthday 3-15-90

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 14, 2009 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

I say it's only possible if it was only played once.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Dec 14, 2009 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Definitive Versions

Let It Rock 6-23-74 Jai-Lai Fronton, Miami.



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